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scottswanberg

The weather is gorgeous for once, and I have to go mow the lawn....GRRRRRR!
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  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg The weather is gorgeous for once, and I have to go mow the lawn....GRRRRRR!
    • April 8
    • scottswanberg
      hkutcher Hollywood-style using a helicopter or with a lawn mower? :-)
      • April 9
    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg Briefly thought about doing it with my RC. Too much of a slope in the back...
      • April 9
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg commented on scottswanberg's blog entry: Both are great aircraft in my experience. There have been days that I was in one wishing I was in the other. I definitely feel that the 300 is a better aircraft for initial primary training though.
    • April 3
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg wrote a new blog entry:
    New School in the Seattle Area
    We're operating out of Boeing Field, Seattle WA on the northeast side.  There are two other heli schools on the field but we distinguish ourselves by being the only one to operate the Schweizer 300C.  If you are interested in high quality, profe...
    • April 1
    • scottswanberg
      fly911 I will take the 300 any day. I've flown the R22 for my IFR training and the 300 for my initial training.
      • April 3
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    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg Both are great aircraft in my experience. There have been days that I was in one wishing I was in the other. I definitely feel that the 300 is a better aircraft for initial primary training though.
      • April 3
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Ok, it's official.  I am an employed flight instructor!  I will be the weekend instructor (that's really all I can do right now anyway) for Atomic Helicopters in Seattle, WA.  
    Atomic Helicopters, Helicopter Flight School, Seattle, WA
    Atomic Helicopters, Helicopter Flight School, Seattle, WA
    Atomic Helicopters is a flight school based at Boeing Field in Seattle, WA. We provide excellent training from zero hours through CFI. We fly Schweizer 300 helicopters, and pride ourselves in excellent flight and ground training.
    • March 31
    • 6 people like this
    • scottswanberg
      fly911 Congratulations Scott! Nice going. Build those hours!
      • April 1
    • scottswanberg
      chrnxn congratulations ,seattle is a nice area
      • April 14
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Hopefully I will have some exciting news to post tomorrow. Too early to tell...
    • March 30
    • scottswanberg
      Jordan Dalton Can't wait to hear what the news is :)
      • March 31
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg This guy needs his license pulled.  
    Crazy Helicopter On Mulholland - YouTube
    Pilot Info - - - www.Copterpilot.com 323 540 HELI Aerial Filming Tours Esteban Jimenez 323-500-8336 323 540 HELI Twin Air Helicopters 265 Durley Ave,Ste 108 ...
    • March 11
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    • scottswanberg
      donhillberg John Q Public is allways trying to burn us & that will NEVER change-S-55s flying mail (LAA) were reported to be flying too low, FAA checked & LAA added altitude,Still low flying complantes.They flew higher, Finaly the CAA caught her with field glasses get...  moreJohn Q Public is allways trying to burn us & that will NEVER change-S-55s flying mail (LAA) were reported to be flying too low, FAA checked & LAA added altitude,Still low flying complantes.They flew higher, Finaly the CAA caught her with field glasses getting the N #s of the S-55s @7000 ft. You work with the FSDO & forget the mobs.  
      • April 8
    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg My ultimate point is this: Since when has giving the bird ever gotten you anything but trouble? Keep your head down, stay out of the lime-light. Try and be as polite as possible, and when the accusations come, shrug your shoulders and you can honestly ...  moreMy ultimate point is this: Since when has giving the bird ever gotten you anything but trouble? Keep your head down, stay out of the lime-light. Try and be as polite as possible, and when the accusations come, shrug your shoulders and you can honestly say you do the best you can. Blatantly harassing the populace and making media statements that "they can't do anything about this" is only going to get you burned at some point, and it gives the public the perception that we are ALL like that, when most of us are anything but!  less
      • April 8
    • scottswanberg
      donhillberg Being nice to the mobs only gets you lynched. It's better to have a good report' with the local FSDO.
      • April 8
    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg I'm not saying be "nice" to the mob. Just stay away from them. No comments nice or otherwise. Totally in agreement with you about being friendly with your local FIZDO. As far as our opinions about Esteban... I guess we're just going to have to agree t...  moreI'm not saying be "nice" to the mob. Just stay away from them. No comments nice or otherwise. Totally in agreement with you about being friendly with your local FIZDO. As far as our opinions about Esteban... I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.  
      • April 8
    • scottswanberg
      donhillberg Have been in the air from 1978-79 The mobs never change, Just the faces-As for Estaban ? He's been around for some time too.I'm sure his movie manual & op specs have been submitted to the LA FSDO.
      • April 12
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Check out this technology demonstrator from Eurocopter.  
    X3 The Encounter - YouTube
    X3 The Encounter - YouTube
    • February 17
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    • scottswanberg
      johneagle777 Regarding the props. I wonder if they are using the electric (inline?) engine technology were the main rotor blades also act as a generator producing an additional power source to other or boost to the existing powerplant. Similar to the technology used o...  moreRegarding the props. I wonder if they are using the electric (inline?) engine technology were the main rotor blades also act as a generator producing an additional power source to other or boost to the existing powerplant. Similar to the technology used on the EH-101. Look at the video at time marker 1.35 and 1.38, those are engines to the props. If those are elecectric engines, I wonder if they are generating a tandom generator from the rotor blades as a primary and secondary from the props to maintain the constant power reducing potential rotor stall Just like the EH-101..  less
      • February 20
    • scottswanberg
      donhillberg No. Just shafts & gearboxes, Note the rudder & flap trim, Big powerplants,Off the shelf componets, Nothing special.
      • February 20
    • scottswanberg
      johneagle777 Thanks Don. That answers that question!
      • February 21
    • scottswanberg
      fly911 John, this would have been an interesting testbed for electric propulsion. I imagine those electric motors are pretty heavy, but hey, this is experimental. It's not like they are going up for sale anytime soon.
      • February 21
    • scottswanberg
      johneagle777 Hey Bro. Well, Eurocopter is currently testing an electric motor on the Astar as a power backup for autorotations to maintain rotor RPM. I beleive it was featured in the Jan. issue of R&W?
      • February 21
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Looks like Bell is finally going after re-taking the Offshore market.  Quite a revolutionary helicopter from the looks of it. 
    Bell Helicopter - Missions
    Bell Helicopter - Missions
    Bell Helicopter - Missions
    • February 12
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    • scottswanberg
      johneagle777 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE0dKtjdzs8
      • February 17
    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg I do too, and it is only a natural progression. More and more helicopters are looking like this, especially in this size range. The real differences to be seen are going to be speed, and crew and passenger comfort. This is going to be the 787 of the ...  moreI do too, and it is only a natural progression. More and more helicopters are looking like this, especially in this size range. The real differences to be seen are going to be speed, and crew and passenger comfort. This is going to be the 787 of the helicopter world: Nothing drastically new, but pushing boundaries of efficiency and comfort none the less.  
      • February 17
    • scottswanberg
      johneagle777 Bell does need something bigger like their competitors have. Bell has since dropped the 230, 430 and the 206. Probably a matter of time before the 206L becomes extinct because of the success of the 407. They have also gone through several twin long ran...  moreBell does need something bigger like their competitors have. Bell has since dropped the 230, 430 and the 206. Probably a matter of time before the 206L becomes extinct because of the success of the 407. They have also gone through several twin long ranger revisions (206LT, 400, 426 and now the 429-the Eurocopter wanna be). They need something new, original, not reengineered, something that can compete aswell as perform.  
      • February 20
    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg You called the 429 a Eurocopter wanna be... which is funny, because I always thought of it as the Eurocopter built to last. Bell has always had a better safety and crash record than Eurocopter, and though they have struggled to compete with performance, ...  moreYou called the 429 a Eurocopter wanna be... which is funny, because I always thought of it as the Eurocopter built to last. Bell has always had a better safety and crash record than Eurocopter, and though they have struggled to compete with performance, it is only because they didn't skimp on fabrication of parts to save weight.  
      • February 20
    • scottswanberg
      johneagle777 Hi Scott. That's a whole other topic. Do agree.
      • February 21
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ktes4epiT10 What's your take on this? Watch the whole video.
    • February 9
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    • scottswanberg
      donhillberg If he's done sprayin it's PT 91. No Hassle.Used to hang around dusters in grade school.
      • February 11
    • scottswanberg
      translift Welcome to the ag world! Used to fuel the 44 by myself with it running all the time. Down time is money!
      • February 20
    • scottswanberg
      mattflys as long as he puts the guy back where he got him he never crosses into part 135
      • April 3
    • scottswanberg
      mlanger No, it's not a matter of the rules, guys. It's a matter of taking a passenger along on what's clearly a dangerous flight. Just because we perform dangerous maneuvers while doing our jobs doesn't mean we should take non-pilots on board for the "thrill ride...  moreNo, it's not a matter of the rules, guys. It's a matter of taking a passenger along on what's clearly a dangerous flight. Just because we perform dangerous maneuvers while doing our jobs doesn't mean we should take non-pilots on board for the "thrill ride" experience.  
      • April 7
    • scottswanberg
      mattflys very true that wasn't an even remotely safe ride
      • April 7
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  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Is this pilot just asking for trouble?  Or is this a skilled and experienced professional doing his job to the best of his abilities?  What's your take?  
    1:19
    AS 350 B3 CMBH: Quelle descente!!
    Merci au pilote Jacques Fouque décédé dans un crash le 14 septembre 2011, à bord de ce même hélicoptère.
    • January 30
    • scottswanberg
      donhillberg A little bit Rushed & that could kill him, Seen some accidents where an empty line snaggs the tail or a snorkle bashes the tail.
      • January 30
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      scottswanberg That's kinda what I was thinking about. They fly like that in the Swiss alps too, but they usually hang a weight on the end of the cable so it won't drag so high. I keep hearing things about time is money and this is how you have to fly to make operatio...  moreThat's kinda what I was thinking about. They fly like that in the Swiss alps too, but they usually hang a weight on the end of the cable so it won't drag so high. I keep hearing things about time is money and this is how you have to fly to make operations feasible. I just don't buy it. How many seconds are you saving, really?  
      • January 31
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    HWormhat is now following scottswanberg.
    • January 16
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Got to fly two days in a row!  Maybe things are starting to pick up a bit?
    • January 16
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg My heart goes out to the families of the Kiowa driver's that went down last night.   This was a little close to home.  Happened a few miles from my house.   Blue Skies. 
    ARMY AIR CREWS: Kiowa Crewmembers Line of Duty Deaths
    Army Air Crews is a tribute list of army aviation crewmembers who have lost their lives in the line of duty.
    • December 13, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      Keith58 Has been a rough week.
      • December 17, 2011
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg It's been over a month and I have not yet gotten to use my shiny new CFI rating.  Is the market really this bad?? 
    • October 25, 2011
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    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg I think my biggest problem is I am not qualified to do anything except teach in schweizers. Since I started I've spent over $50,000 and I don't qualify to get a job. Only in the helicopter industry can you get certified to do something but still not be...  moreI think my biggest problem is I am not qualified to do anything except teach in schweizers. Since I started I've spent over $50,000 and I don't qualify to get a job. Only in the helicopter industry can you get certified to do something but still not be qualified to go do it. SFAR 73 plays a big role in that. I need another 50 hours in helicopters before I can get my endorsement. Technically I do have a job, but the school is so slow they don't have any work for me. I do know the importance of networking and meeting people face to face, but when potential work is hundreds or thousands of miles away, it can be difficult to make that happen. I probably won't start doing any real flying again until the economy picks up or I pay off enough of my debt that i can afford go accumulate more and finish my ratings.  less
      • November 4, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      mlanger Question for Scott: Is your job at the flight school you trained at? And do they hire ALL CFIs that get their ratings there?
      • November 4, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg No. And I don't know. I got checked out to rent here a year ago, and they called me up a couple times to do some small commercial jobs when they didn't have any other pilots available. So when I got my CFI they put me on the schedule on a "bring your ow...  moreNo. And I don't know. I got checked out to rent here a year ago, and they called me up a couple times to do some small commercial jobs when they didn't have any other pilots available. So when I got my CFI they put me on the schedule on a "bring your own student" basis. They also said they'd call if they needed any gaps filled but that hasn't happened. It's a small operation with one helo and one FW. Two full time CFIs and a handful of full time students. Not enough work to go around and no one I know that is interested has the money to learn.  less
      • November 4, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      mlanger An unusual situation and obviously not ideal. Good luck to you!
      • November 4, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      translift I only trained in 300's and had no Robbie time when I finished my CFI. Luckily I went to Bristow and they use mostly 300's. I got hired there too which was good. The whole bring your students thing is a tough gig for sure.
      • November 20, 2011
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    • October 13, 2011
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg So I took my Son up for his first helicopter ride.  I think we have a new generation of heli pilots on the way!  I will never forget the look on his face! 
    • October 12, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      chrnxn i took my son up the first time in may in Maria,s r-44 it is a priceless moment , but that is why we do it :) all the extra hrs studying Wx .....it is worth it
      • October 13, 2011
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Next up: tackling my A&P. First step is to convince the FSDO that I have the required experience.
    • September 29, 2011
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Landed a part time with Airwork LLC.  Let's hope I can pick up a student soon! 
    • September 18, 2011
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  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Finally took, and passed, my CFI checkride.  Glad THAT'S over with!  WHEW!
    • September 11, 2011
    • 4 people like this
    • scottswanberg
      WestOzHeliPilot Good effort Scott, good work mate!
      • September 12, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      mlanger Congratulations, Scott!
      • September 12, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      BlackHwk27 Nice job! Congrats!
      • September 12, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      BeJoSky Congratulations Scott! Many happy landings for you in the future!!!
      • September 12, 2011
  • scottswanberg
    scottswanberg Latest and greatest video.  
    Swanson flight.wmv - YouTube
    Photo flight from Renton (RNT) to Swanson (2W3) in Eatonville with Mike "Steady Hands" Nowak.
    • August 17, 2011
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    • scottswanberg
      chrnxn awesome video,lets a person see other areas in the country without actually being there THANKYOU
      • August 19, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg I enjoy making them. More to come! I really want to have some intercom audio with the videos but I cannot find anything that works without sucking the life out of my headset volume. Finally found a recorder and the cable I needed to use it with and fou...  moreI enjoy making them. More to come! I really want to have some intercom audio with the videos but I cannot find anything that works without sucking the life out of my headset volume. Finally found a recorder and the cable I needed to use it with and found that I couldn't hear the radio when it was plugged in!  
      • August 19, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      hkutcher Is this the one you're using? http://www.barnstormeraudio.com/products.html
      • August 19, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      hkutcher Other opinions. http://www.cinematography.net/edited-pages/Audio_In_Choppers.htm
      • August 19, 2011
    • scottswanberg
      scottswanberg Mine is similar to the Barnstormer one, not that particular brand though (they don't specify whether their product is for helicopters, do they?) It may just be THAT particular helicopter too, it's got a very weak radio/intercom.
      • August 19, 2011
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  • Flight Experience CPLH, CFI 300+ TT 180+ R/C Helo S300,R22
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  • About Me I have been in love with helicopters since I was 2 years old. I always aspired to be a pilot and got my PPLFW when I was 17. 2 years later I took out a monstrous loan and got my PPLH add on. Immediately following I joined the Army with the goals of being a Warrant Officer Pilot. Alas, our Army at war had more important things for me to do, like work. So now I am out of the service, working as a contractor doing maintenance on H-47 aircraft for the Army, and continuing to get my ratings in the hopes of someday landing a job as a helicopter pilot. Currently a CFI in the Seattle area.
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    Posted April 1

    We're operating out of Boeing Field, Seattle WA on the northeast side.  There are two other heli schools on the field but we distinguish ourselves by being the only one to operate the Schweizer 300C.  If you are interested in high quality, professional training that will prepare you for a ...

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  • Atomic Helicopters, Helicopter Flight School, Seattle, WA
    Atomic Helicopters is a flight school based at Boeing Field in Seattle, WA. We provide excellent training from zero hours through CFI. We fly Schweizer 300 helicopters, and pride ourselves in excellent flight and ground training.
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    Bell Helicopter - Missions
  • ARMY AIR CREWS: Kiowa Crewmembers Line of Duty Deaths
    Army Air Crews is a tribute list of army aviation crewmembers who have lost their lives in the line of duty.
  • Swanson flight.wmv - YouTube
    Photo flight from Renton (RNT) to Swanson (2W3) in Eatonville with Mike "Steady Hands" Nowak.
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  • January 1, 2011 9:35:52 PM PST
    in the topic Walking on Eggshells in the forum The Hangar
    I just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. I think we are. I hope you have a happy and safe new year.
  • December 31, 2010 6:56:29 PM PST
    in the topic Walking on Eggshells in the forum The Hangar

    If you are trying to suggest that I am scared of flying and should seek counsel, I think you misunderstood my point greatly. I agree that it is not something that should be stewed on constantly. But you can hardly say you don't concern yourself with it if you are reading NTSB reports, and you mentioned the Robinson Safety course, there are some pretty gruesome videos that you see during that. But those case studies provide insight into how to avoid an accident. My point exactly. When I first started learning to fly helicopters, I was taught by a high time pilot who had been involved in several crashes and other incidents. He passed on everything he learned about those events to me, so that I may some day avoid them. Where I am flying now, they are so concerned about the student feeling safe, and keeping their business, that I wonder if they (the student) are getting the knowledge they need to avoid those situations later on. Rose colored lenses may help one get through the day with a more pleasant attitude, but they reduce one's vision.

    I read a great book called "Fatal Traps for Helicopter Pilots" by Greg Whyte. It details case studies of accidents, discusses the causes in detail, then provides insights on how to avoid the situation that led to the accident. The point of the book is to make helicopter pilots aware of the dangers so that they can step around those "traps". The question I was trying to address is: If you, as an instructor, know about a flaw in a system, or a potential pitfall in a particular manuever, are you going to keep your mouth shut to keep your student feeling safe and happy and keep their hard earned money flowing into your school? Or are you going to teach them about it, even if it makes them a little uncomfortable at first, so that they can learn about how to avoid that pitfall, or be aware of that flaw, and therefore, be safer, more proficient pilots? I would hope you would say you would do the latter. I would. But I am seeing more and more of the former as schools try to mitigate potential training accidents and keep the flow of students flowing. No one wants to discuss accidents, and though I know why, I think it is irresponsible.  Firefighter's don't get into the job thinking it's going to be all waxing the firetruck and riding around showing off.  There is dangerous work there.  And though flying a helicopter is FAR safer than that, it has it's dangerous sides too. Especially when you get into arenas like heli-logging, seismic, fire suppression, search and rescue.  It's not all about ferry flights and scenic tours.  There is some dangerous work out there.  Why ignore the pitfalls?  It's not going to make them go away.  Discussing accidents is a great way to learn how to avoid them.

    This post was edited by scottswanberg at December 31, 2010 6:56:29 PM PST
  • December 30, 2010 7:16:14 PM PST
    in the topic Walking on Eggshells in the forum The Hangar
    I agree that keeping students interested is important. I am not an instructor yet, so I don't know the challenges ahead, but I feel it is very important to be honest, and even more important to make sure the student knows what they are getting into before they spend their savings, or dig themselves into debt. I would have been a very pissed off individual had I spent all that money only to suddenly have it dawn on me how dangerous it really can be and because of that it wasn't for me. This wasn't the case for me, and it may not be for most people who really want to do it. Everything has risks, and they are still relatively low. With good training we can keep them low. My old school, Western Helicopters has been around for a long time and they have some very good and experienced pilots. That being said, both the helicopters I learned to fly in are in the boneyard. One downed during mountain training, the other on a PPLH checkride (simulated engine failure became an actual engine failure). And those were not the first aircraft that school had lost. If you want to be in this industry for a long time, there is a good chance you are going to have an incident (or several). When that time comes, are you going to be ready? As an instructor, are your student's going to be ready? Are we teaching them everything they need to know? Or are we skating over the dangers to keep the money flowing? A couple of recent crashes in the north west, along with my current training routine, have me asking these questions.

  • December 24, 2010 11:01:51 AM PST
    in the topic Walking on Eggshells in the forum The Hangar

    I have been thinking alot lately about the inherrent dangers of flying, and the increasing lack of emphasis on them during training.  The FOI states something to the effect that Instructors should emphasise the fun, safe, and rewarding aspects of flying, rather than the dangers.  At least, to a point.  Emergency procedures in helicopters are usually where most students drop their training.  Everything happens so fast in a helicopter.  Rigorous training is required to make EPs second nature.  It also takes some nerve and a strong stomach.  I have heard some pilots say that ANYONE can learn to fly with some training.  But I disagree.  It's true, it's not hard to operate the machines.  Merely a matter of generating muscle memory.  It's the decision making that is the challenging part.  Learning how to handle stress in adverse conditions.  This can be taught, if the individual being taught has a baseline of calm and common sense.  However, if this baseline does not exist, creating it in that individual may be impossible.  I would say that most successfull pilots are type A personalities with a strong survival instinct and a sharp attention to detail.  It's true you don't have to be one of these personalities to learn to fly, but if you plan to make a career out of it, your chances of surviving are greater if you are.  The rest kind of weed themselves out.  Flying is not for the foolhardy or the naiive.  I have seen, read about, and had too many close calls to have any misconceptions about how dangerous flying can be.  It's true, flying is safer than driving on the freeway, but if everyone took care of their cars, carefully planned their routes, had radio communications procedures to communicate with each other, and were as well trained as pilots are, there would be far fewer accidents on the road.  Can you imagine that scenario?  I can't.  Too many people out there don't care enough to go to the trouble.  Those people should never be pilots.  So why should we coddle students that may be scared away by the inherent dangers?  At some point we must pull the blindfold off and teach them how to handle EPs.  If they cannot, or do not wish to grasp this concept, they will either fail their training or quit.  At that point... did you waste their time and money spent getting them to that point?  Should we, as instructors, spend the first 10 hours keeping things light and fun to get them hooked?  Or should we give them a well rounded first couple lessons that show them the good the bad and the ugly, and then let them decide for themselves if it is what they really want to do?  I was not coddled as a student.  EPs were hammered into me and I was told many different stories by my instructors about the dangers that lurked out there for helicopter pilots.  Not only did it not scare me away, but it challenged me to be the safe, consious pilot that I am.  I intend on training my students the same way.  However, I have noticed around my flight school that discussing accidents and mishaps and any of the inherent dangers is done in a whisper.  It is touched on in training but not drummed in.  The school, which is barely hanging in there due to the poor economy, does not want to scare potential customers away.  Now, they also get alot of their business from scenic flights and tours, and I can definitely see how scaring your passengers is bad for business.  Keeping passengers calm and assuring them of their safety is critical in keeping this industry alive.  But for those that intend on operating these machines... I feel that is another story.  Some of my closest calls came on days that I was just enjoying being in the air, not paying attention to something I should have been, taking it all for granted. 

    Any opinions or comments are welcome.  I am not thin skinned so if you disagree with me on some point, please feel free to make your case. 

    This post was edited by scottswanberg at December 24, 2010 11:01:51 AM PST
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